CCS PLAYOFFS

Re: CCS PLAYOFFS

feeds@yuku.com (BaseballGuy) — Wed, 27 May 2009 17:30:44 GMT

Well said SeniorPadre and SalasBall. I agree 100%.

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feeds@yuku.com (SalasBall) — Wed, 27 May 2009 11:13:43 GMT

The elite local programs (in all sports) expect to win league; the success of the season is almost always based upon how far in the playoffs they advance. In this category I would put programs like Palma football, Notre Dame softball, Watsonville soccer, and yes Carmel baseball. For these type of programs winning league is an afterthought. Success is measured on bringing home the blue CCS trophy; red at the worst.

If you are a baseball player at a school like Greenfield, winning...

Re: CCS PLAYOFFS

feeds@yuku.com (SeniorPadre) — Wed, 27 May 2009 08:42:38 GMT

Well totalbaseball...if you are a Carmel alum then you would understand that it is standard to win a league title. With the exception of last year we had won league about 12-14 times in a row? Someone correct me if my math is wrong. How is winning a league title more important than winning a section title? That logic doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. If you are going to make the playoffs...you play to win, you shouldn't just be happy to make it. Speaking as a Carmel...

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feeds@yuku.com (mvstud) — Tue, 26 May 2009 18:23:03 GMT

Wow!! It was incredible how MV knocked off Scotts Valley
Erlin was outstanding, yet MV was able to pull one out of their butts.
That game really showed that baseball is trurly a team sport
because if Erlin got any sort of backup from his team, SV would have
mostly likely won the game.
Either way MV played great.

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feeds@yuku.com (totalbaseball) — Tue, 26 May 2009 15:47:28 GMT

You guys put so much stock in CCS titles. They are quickly forgotten. The CCS is only a tournament for teams that won their league or came close. Winning your league should be the goal and if you do well in CCS, then great. It is not going to be the most important experience in these young men's lives. If Carmel beat Robert Kinkaid Art School 29 -1 in Division 3 would that make people happy? Their trophy case is full. Let them struggle a little at D1 and figure things out. Not be front...

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feeds@yuku.com (murfcv) — Thu, 21 May 2009 20:07:53 GMT

I see, thanks mbaypreps. The league divisions you had would make sense for baseball. The B division that you had listed would be possibly the most competitive soccer league in the state. Football is a little more delicate due to the size of the athletes and the number of kids on each team.

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feeds@yuku.com (mbaypreps) — Thu, 21 May 2009 15:18:23 GMT

Having played against them multiple times, it is easy to say that the 1979 Carmel team (top to bottom) was the greatest team this area has ever produced.

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feeds@yuku.com (mbaypreps) — Thu, 21 May 2009 15:15:15 GMT

The power league concept would apply to each individual sport, not for all sports.

For football, basketball, soccer, etc. the league makeups would be completely different.

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feeds@yuku.com (murfcv) — Thu, 21 May 2009 13:20:42 GMT

Carmel, PG, Stevenson and MVC would not be able to finish their seasons in football due to injuries if they had to play Palma and Hollister in consecutive weeks. If MVC and Stevenson did the things that Palma does to make themselves competitve, maybe they could hang. If Carmel, PG, Monterey and Seaside combined, they would have the same number of kids as Hollister. Remember what happened last year when MTAL champions Carmel played against North Salinas or when PG met up with Gilroy. It...

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feeds@yuku.com (Coach2) — Thu, 21 May 2009 10:52:48 GMT

In the CCS when Coach Kelly coached you COULD NOT move up. Let us remember Carmel was coming off of winning the D2 title the year D3 was put in. Do you really think Coach Kelly after winning D2 wanted to play lesser people in D3...He was not given the choice. And if you are going to discount Carmel's wins in CCS lets remember that Coach Kelley took his teams to Las Vegas to Play in the Gorman Tourney (One of the toughest on the West Coast) and Won it. If nothing but D1 matter there are a...

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feeds@yuku.com (justincasas) — Thu, 21 May 2009 10:35:34 GMT

The Power League scenario is a great idea. I think it would be great for all sports, especially the big 3. It would make for more competitive leagues and would prepare teams better for the playoffs. What are the chances of something like this actually hapenning and who would have to make a push for it? Athletic Directors?

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feeds@yuku.com (mbaypreps) — Thu, 21 May 2009 06:55:25 GMT

These would be two very competitive league - the leagues are reshuffled every 2 years:

A League
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Palma
San Benito
Gilroy
Salinas
Carmel
Monterey
PG
Stevenson
NC/MVC in particular years

B league
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NC/MVC in particular years
North Salinas
Alisal
Alvarez
Gonzales
King City
Soledad
Greenfield
Seaside
Watsonville
Pajaro

Re: CCS PLAYOFFS

feeds@yuku.com (wulfstan) — Wed, 20 May 2009 21:03:58 GMT

That was an extraordinary team with the likes of Mike Odello and Mike Wecker. Growing up in Carmel, you knew there would be some major stigma if your class didn't win the league.

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feeds@yuku.com (CheapSeats) — Wed, 20 May 2009 15:36:36 GMT

A big difference I see is that Palma Football plays tougher competition for most all of their football season and is ready for the playoffs where Carmel baseball (under Bispo) doesn't play close to the level of division 1 baseball during the regular season. And it's more than just big school versus small school since the WCAL is involved. It isn't realistic to expect small public schools in CCS to compete with the WCAL.

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feeds@yuku.com (justincasas) — Wed, 20 May 2009 13:24:31 GMT

I have to say that I am impressed with Carmel for opting up. I think they are setting a precedence for future Carmel High teams. Palma has done this for years in football, and I think it has only made their program stronger. I wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing happen with Carmel's baseball program. Whether or not they win or lose, they are testing themselves at the highest level.

I do have to disagree with an earlier post...

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feeds@yuku.com (shaveandahaircut2bits) — Wed, 20 May 2009 06:52:15 GMT

This years Carmel team is good but they have no reason to opt up. Based on their record they would have been lucky to get a 6 seed in Division III this year. But at least as a 6 seed in that Division they would have had a realistic shot at playing more than one play-off game. (Yes they could win at VC, especially since VC's best pitcher will be likely saved for Saturday's game. And they did almost pull off a Division I win versus Salinas last year. But the odds against them...

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feeds@yuku.com (CheapSeats) — Tue, 19 May 2009 14:51:41 GMT

If you feel the only division that matters is division 1, so be it, that's your opinion, but I think calling division 3 championships "meaningless" is showing a lot of disrespect to the players and coaches who put in the time and hard work to win those championships. It isn't realistic to expect small public schools to complete with the WCAL and the other A league schools year in and year out. Out of the last 20 division 1 winners, 13 have been WCAL teams (with 4 runner...

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feeds@yuku.com (SeniorPadre) — Tue, 19 May 2009 13:06:28 GMT

I wouldn't call the D3 trophies meaningless, there were some good teams for Carmel that won D3 titles...and I guess we'll never know if they would have opted up before Bispo because they didn't have that option. It's my opinion as someone that played for Kelly that he might have opted up given the opportunity.

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feeds@yuku.com (Citirom) — Mon, 18 May 2009 16:20:08 GMT

So I see Live Oak, from Morgan Hill, did not make the CCS playoffs this year. Looking at Maxpreps it looks like they had a total melt down as they lost their last 7 games in a row and their last loss was against the last place team in the division. This is the first time in 17 straight years that they have not made the CCS playoffs. What a dissapointment after winning DIII CCS last year. I heard that Head Coach was suppose to step down after the end of last years big season and winning DIII...

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feeds@yuku.com (totalbaseball) — Mon, 18 May 2009 16:15:23 GMT

The 1979 Carmel Padres would have to go down in history as the "Greatest" team on the small pond. They acheived the unthinkable. Won a CCS Championship without the help of Divisions. It was all open and you had to beat the team you were pitted against. It wasn't based on size. Last I checked you checked you can only play 9 at a time. I applaude Coach Bispo, because they have a trophy case of meaningless Div 3 trophies. Only one trophy in that case counts........1979 CCS Champs....

CCS PLAYOFFS

feeds@yuku.com (BaseballGuy) — Sun, 17 May 2009 15:49:47 GMT

Any thoughts on the seeds and outcome predictions?