Any thoughts on the seeds and outcome predictions?
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Posts: 48 05/17/09 15:49:47 |
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SeniorPadre |
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Posts: 178 05/18/09 12:06:00 |
I just want to commend Coach Bispo for getting Carmel into the Div. 1 playoffs. Not taking anything away from Kelly because he did amazing things for Carmel
Baseball, but it is nice to see us take that next step and show the desire to play great competition in the postseason. There was never any denying that we
were a Div. 3 powerhouse, but it did get old after a while. Hopefully the Padres can advance further than the 1st round this year. Is Valley Christian loaded
this year? Do the Padres have an outside shot at the Div. 1 title?
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CheapSeats |
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Posts: 178 05/18/09 12:27:00 |
Until last year schools were not allowed to opt up, so that was never an option for Coach Kelly. Also last year, Div 3 went to 16 teams, which hopefuly will
make division 3 tougher. While it is admiral to play tougher competition, there is a reason they have divisions and why only the WCAL schools (other than
Carmel) chose to opt up each year. And no, Carmel does not have a shot to win Div 1.
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Posts: 179 05/18/09 15:54:41 |
Interesting how they made D3 bigger. I still think it's a good move for Carmel to opt up. Better exposure for the program...and maybe they can make
things interesting. If Valley Christian has baseball guys like they have football guys then it will be a tough 1st round for the Padres. Hopefully the
pitching staff will be on point and give them a chance. That facility at Valley Christian is top-knotch, that artificial turf is a little weird to play
baseball on, but it seems like a fun environment.
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totalbaseball |
Opting Up | #4 | ||
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Posts: 6 05/18/09 16:15:23 |
The 1979 Carmel Padres would have to go down in history as the "Greatest" team on the small pond. They acheived the unthinkable. Won a CCS
Championship without the help of Divisions. It was all open and you had to beat the team you were pitted against. It wasn't based on size. Last I checked
you checked you can only play 9 at a time. I applaude Coach Bispo, because they have a trophy case of meaningless Div 3 trophies. Only one trophy in that case
counts........1979 CCS Champs. Do you really think the team would have opted up before Coach Bispo? They had too much fun beating MHS. I applaude Coach Ueno
for leading the Spartans into the CCS. They should be proud.
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Citirom |
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Posts: 1 05/18/09 16:20:08 |
So I see Live Oak, from Morgan Hill, did not make the CCS playoffs this year. Looking at Maxpreps it looks like they had a total melt down as they lost their
last 7 games in a row and their last loss was against the last place team in the division. This is the first time in 17 straight years that they have not made
the CCS playoffs. What a dissapointment after winning DIII CCS last year. I heard that Head Coach was suppose to step down after the end of last years big
season and winning DIII CCS and then changed his mind. Maybe he should not have changed his mind after this years melt down. We'll see if they bounce back
next year. They usually do but we'll see next year. Hopefully the young coach that has been helping out, and was suppose to be the head Coach this year,
gets a chance to be head coach next years as I think that will be what this team needs. Good luck to them next year as this season is over for them now.
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SeniorPadre |
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Posts: 181 05/19/09 13:06:28 |
I wouldn't call the D3 trophies meaningless, there were some good teams for Carmel that won D3 titles...and I guess we'll never know if they would have
opted up before Bispo because they didn't have that option. It's my opinion as someone that played for Kelly that he might have opted up given the
opportunity.
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CheapSeats |
opting up | #7 | ||
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Posts: 179 05/19/09 14:51:41 |
If you feel the only division that matters is division 1, so be it, that's your opinion, but I think calling division 3 championships
"meaningless" is showing a lot of disrespect to the players and coaches who put in the time and hard work to win those championships. It isn't
realistic to expect small public schools to complete with the WCAL and the other A league schools year in and year out. Out of the last 20 division 1 winners,
13 have been WCAL teams (with 4 runner ups), and only one winner has been a non A league team. They have divisions so that schools can compete against schools
with simliar enrollment. If the players chose to opt up then great, they made the choice, but I don't think it should be the coaches decision.
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shaveandahaircut2bits |
Opting Up | #8 | ||
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Posts: 1 05/20/09 06:52:15 |
This years Carmel team is good but they have no reason to opt up. Based on their record they would have been lucky to get a 6 seed in Division III this year.
But at least as a 6 seed in that Division they would have had a realistic shot at playing more than one play-off game. (Yes they could win at VC, especially
since VC's best pitcher will be likely saved for Saturday's game. And they did almost pull off a Division I win versus Salinas last year. But the
odds against them beating VC are a lot greater than the odds of them beating Harbor in a first round Division III match-up.)
The only reason a coach should opt up is if he thinks his team has a realistic shot at winning the higher division title. Before the season started, Bispo knew this years team (with good to very good pitching) did not have the two great pitchers needed to advance in Division I. Now you might argue that by opting up, Carmel is "making a name for itself". But assuming they get beat in the first round each time they opt up, what sort of name will they be making for themselves? And why should a public school even care about making a name for themselves? They can't recruit like the WCAL does. I agree with Cheap Seats. There is nothing dishonorable about being the best in Division III. Far and away, the number one reason we play sports should be for the experiences enjoyed by the players. Maybe second, way down on that list, is for the joy the parents get seeing their child compete. Third on the list should be for the pride of the student body. A realistic chance to win a CCS title would put the players' experiences first. |
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Posts: 10 05/20/09 13:24:31 |
I have to say that I am impressed with Carmel for opting up. I think they are setting a precedence for future Carmel High teams. Palma has done this for years in football, and I think it has only made their program stronger. I wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing happen with Carmel's baseball program. Whether or not they win or lose, they are testing themselves at the highest level. I do have to disagree with an earlier post as to reasons why we play sports. I know the main reason I played sports was because I loved to compete. Competition has always been what drives me. And I think competition is the main reason why most of us play or played sports. If you have the opportunity test yourself against the best, why wouldn't you? Being a small school doesn't mean you can't compete with bigger schools. No matter how big a school's enrollment is, when it comes to baseball, they can only have nine guys on the field. The Division II and III championship trophies Carmel has in their trophy case are not meaningless in the least. Carmel was the best team in their division during those years. Anyone who has tried to win a CCS title knows how difficult it is to get your hands on one of those trophies, regardless of what division you play in. All of their trophies are meaningful. Yes, I do think the championship from 1979 carries a little extra weight. They were the best team in the entire Central Coast Section that year. But that doesn't take away from the accomplishments of other CCS Championships Carmel has won since then. Good luck to the Padres and all the other local schools in this year's playoffs. I would love to see an MBay team take home a trophy in each division. |
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CheapSeats |
competition | #10 | ||
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Posts: 180 05/20/09 15:36:36 |
A big difference I see is that Palma Football plays tougher competition for most all of their football season and is ready for the playoffs where Carmel baseball (under Bispo) doesn't play close to the level of division 1 baseball during the regular season. And it's more than just big school versus small school since the WCAL is involved. It isn't realistic to expect small public schools in CCS to compete with the WCAL. |
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wulfstan |
1979 Amen | #11 | ||
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Posts: 16 05/20/09 21:03:58 |
That was an extraordinary team with the likes of Mike Odello and Mike Wecker. Growing up in Carmel, you knew there would be some major stigma if your class
didn't win the league.
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mbaypreps |
Exactly why we need a power league | #12 | ||
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Posts: 1250 05/21/09 06:55:25 |
These would be two very competitive league - the leagues are reshuffled every 2 years:
A League --------------- Palma San Benito Gilroy Salinas Carmel Monterey PG Stevenson NC/MVC in particular years B league ----------------- NC/MVC in particular years North Salinas Alisal Alvarez Gonzales King City Soledad Greenfield Seaside Watsonville Pajaro |
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justincasas |
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Posts: 11 05/21/09 10:35:34 |
The Power League scenario is a great idea. I think it would be great for all sports, especially the big 3. It would make for more competitive leagues and
would prepare teams better for the playoffs. What are the chances of something like this actually hapenning and who would have to make a push for it?
Athletic Directors?
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Coach2 |
Kelly played the best | #14 | ||
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Posts: 26 05/21/09 10:52:48 |
In the CCS when Coach Kelly coached you COULD NOT move up. Let us remember Carmel was coming off of winning the D2 title the year D3 was put in. Do you really
think Coach Kelly after winning D2 wanted to play lesser people in D3...He was not given the choice. And if you are going to discount Carmel's wins in CCS
lets remember that Coach Kelley took his teams to Las Vegas to Play in the Gorman Tourney (One of the toughest on the West Coast) and Won it. If nothing but D1
matter there are a lot of banners in a lot of Sports that don't matter on the Monterey Peninsula - Because last I checked there was only a hand full of
teams that have won any sport in D1 on the Peninsula. So if you are going to discount Carmel Baseball - Take down all but 2 Palma Football Banners and
everything else they have won Basketball etc were won in NOT D1 - PG well those Great Basketball teams - Football teams those need to be discounted - Monterey
D2 in everything Football - Baseball Discounted - Name me things please that have been won in D1 Please - If you are going to say nothing matters unless it was
D1 lets get rid of the divisions - Most teams in most sports don't have a choice.
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Posts: 14 05/21/09 13:20:42 |
Carmel, PG, Stevenson and MVC would not be able to finish their seasons in football due to injuries if they had to play Palma and Hollister in consecutive
weeks. If MVC and Stevenson did the things that Palma does to make themselves competitve, maybe they could hang. If Carmel, PG, Monterey and Seaside
combined, they would have the same number of kids as Hollister. Remember what happened last year when MTAL champions Carmel played against North Salinas or
when PG met up with Gilroy. It was a mess. It would make sence to keep the Monterey Bay public schools together; Seaside, Monterey, PG and Carmel, then add
Stevenson, North County and possibly MVC or St. Francis. Even add the south county schools and divide the league. PG and Carmel have no business on the same
football field as the TCAL powerhouses. If they want to schedule one or two a year for non-league games, then great.
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mbaypreps |
Leagues would differ by sport | #16 | ||
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Posts: 1251 05/21/09 15:15:15 |
The power league concept would apply to each individual sport, not for all sports.
For football, basketball, soccer, etc. the league makeups would be completely different. |
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mbaypreps |
1979 Carmel | #17 | ||
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Posts: 1252 05/21/09 15:18:23 |
Having played against them multiple times, it is easy to say that the 1979 Carmel team (top to bottom) was the greatest team this area has ever produced.
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murfcv |
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Posts: 15 05/21/09 20:07:53 |
I see, thanks mbaypreps. The league divisions you had would make sense for baseball. The B division that you had listed would be possibly the most
competitive soccer league in the state. Football is a little more delicate due to the size of the athletes and the number of kids on each team.
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totalbaseball |
Titles in CCS are not really remembered | #19 | ||
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Posts: 7 05/26/09 15:47:28 |
You guys put so much stock in CCS titles. They are quickly forgotten. The CCS is only a tournament for teams that won their league or came close. Winning your
league should be the goal and if you do well in CCS, then great. It is not going to be the most important experience in these young men's lives. If Carmel
beat Robert Kinkaid Art School 29 -1 in Division 3 would that make people happy? Their trophy case is full. Let them struggle a little at D1 and figure things
out. Not be front runners and play up only if they have a good team. Nobody will remember who wins this years CCS a week after its over. Nobod will care
either. If these young men are still talking about their D3 title when their 40, I know a good counselor.
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mvstud |
MV upset | #20 | ||
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Posts: 11 05/26/09 18:23:03 |
Wow!! It was incredible how MV knocked off Scotts Valley
Erlin was outstanding, yet MV was able to pull one out of their butts. That game really showed that baseball is trurly a team sport because if Erlin got any sort of backup from his team, SV would have mostly likely won the game. Either way MV played great. |
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